Talk:House of Windsor

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Duke of Sussex's father[edit]

I don't know how to edit the pop ups on the family tree, but the one for Prince Harry currently states that he is the younger son of James Hewitt. Please can someone edit this asap?

Also, I guess, add in a box for Archie.

Misleading[edit]

Ireland has been independent since 1921 or '22. The table misleadingly portrays the UK as only independent since 1930. The sources provided do not support half the content in the section: for example, the source for Canada gives a variety of dates between 1867 and 1949 for its independence: "autonomy in domestic and foreign affairs" [which appears to match the definition of a sovereign state] in 1867, "culminating in 1947 with the Letters Patent Constituting ... the Governor-General to exercise all the powers of the Sovereign in Canada, on the advice of the Canadian government." It doesn't explicitly give 1930 [or is it '31?] as the date of sovereignty, which is what is apparently shown in the table. DrKay (talk) 15:44, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

An excerpt from Britannica: "This change and others were embodied in the 1931 Statute of Westminster, which ended all legislative supremacy of the British Parliament over the dominion parliaments and made them, when they proclaimed the act, sovereign states sharing a common crown." Peter Ormond 💬 15:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
And what date does it give for "when they proclaimed the act"? Australia: 1942 (or is it 1939?). New Zealand: 1947. Ireland: never. DrKay (talk) 16:13, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Excerpt from the Royal website: "In 1931, the Statute of Westminster applied the term 'dominion' to Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Newfoundland, and the Irish Free State. This meant it was a country of the British Empire and later the Commonwealth, with autonomy in domestic and foreign affairs." Peter Ormond 💬 16:32, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Taking Canada as an example, see for example, Canada's "sovereignty was acquired in the period between its separate signature of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 and the Statute of Westminster, 1931...", "It took five decades after the Statute of Westminster for Canada to make its final step toward full sovereignty. In 1982, it adopted its own constitution and became a completely independent country.", "The slowness and complexity of Canada's evolution have fostered differences of opinion as to when independence occurred". Even Britannica contradicts itself: "proclaimed by Queen Elizabeth II on April 17, 1982, making Canada wholly independent...the last legal tie with Great Britain was severed, and Canada became a fully sovereign state." Similar arguments can be had for all the pre-1947 dominions. Per WP:NPOV, wikipedia does not select one source over another when sources disagree. DrKay (talk) 16:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
It is better to drop the word "sovereign" altogether, and replace it with "independent", as sources disagree. Peter Ormond 💬 17:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not select one interpretation over another when reliable sources disagree. DrKay (talk) 18:38, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Changed to just "states". Peter Ormond 💬 18:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

There was an argument about this at Monarchy of Canada, months or years ago, concerning the founding date. GoodDay (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

I would think it fairly obvious that the table should start in 1917. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, that would make more sense given the article's topic focus on the house of Windsor. The states could then be listed by their traditional dates of foundation, so 1922 for the Irish Free State and before 1917 for Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, which would then match the dates at Commonwealth realm#Current realms, Commonwealth realm#List of states, and Dominion#List of Dominions. DrKay (talk) 15:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, it should exactly be like that. Peter Ormond 💬 16:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Well if anybody here knows how to implement the changes-in-question? then by all means, have at it. GoodDay (talk) 17:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I see what you mean about that table. It's really code-heavy and over-complicated. I've simplified it to a table that is more useful, sortable and clearly understood. The dates are now clearer than before, as well as more accurate. Celia Homeford (talk) 07:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

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